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Petition Drive Launched to Protect Scientific Wildlife Management

November 26th, 2013


CPWM Fact Sheet 2
 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

November 26, 2013

Contact: Drew YoungeDyke, CPWM Secretary | 517.346.6486 | dyoungedyke@mucc.org

Petition Drive Launching for Scientific Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act
Initiated law would protect NRC ability to name game species and issue fisheries orders

LANSING—The Michigan Board of Canvassers will be asked to approve the form of a petition for a citizen-initiated law, called the Scientific Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, when they meet Monday December 2. The proposed act would protect the Natural Resources Commission’s ability to name game species and issue fisheries orders, protect free licenses for active military members, and include funding for rapid response activities to keep Asian carp out of Michigan waters.

The petition is sponsored by the Citizens for Professional Wildlife Management (CPWM), a coalition of many of the same organizations that successfully passed Proposal G in 1996 under the same name. The petition drive must gather at least 258,000 valid signatures in 180 days to place the law before the Legislature.

“This is about making sure that decisions about fish and wildlife management are made by relying on sound science and the recommendations of biologists, not activists or television commercials,” said Merle Shepard, chairman of CPWM.

The Scientific Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act provides that the Natural Resources Commission may designate game species under a duty to use sound science, that active military members can receive free hunting, fishing and trapping licenses, and that the Natural Resources Commission has the exclusive authority to issue fisheries orders. To support the NRC’s ability to manage fisheries, $1 million is appropriated so that the Department of Natural Resources can conduct rapid response activities necessary to prevent and eliminate aquatic invasive species like Asian carp.

“This initiative will show that the people of Michigan believe in using biology to make fish and wildlife decisions” said Erin McDonough, executive director of Michigan United Conservation Clubs. “It also provides the resources to make scientific fisheries decisions by making sure the DNR can respond rapidly to aquatic invasive species like Asian carp.”

Supporters of the initiative include Michigan United Conservation Clubs, the Upper Peninsula Sportsmen’s Alliance, Upper Peninsula Whitetails Association, U.P. Whitetails of Marquette County, the Michigan Bear Hunters Association, the Michigan Trappers and Predator Callers Association, the Michigan Hunting Dog Federation, the Michigan chapters of Safari Club International, the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Michigan Bow Hunters, Michigan Steelhead and Salmon Anglers Association and numerous local conservation organizations from around the state.

Citizens for Professional Wildlife Management
P.O. Box 11082, Lansing, MI 48901

  • Brian Parsons

    Didn’t proposal G already do this ? Wasn’t proposal G “Scientific” management ? How does this differ ?

    • Drew YoungeDyke

      The anti’s found a loophole in Proposal G. We’re fixing it.

    • NormMackey

      When the voters passed Proposal G they forgot to put in the part about it being superior to and immune from all elections in the future.

      • Guest

        Voters didn’t pass G, you crackpots did, misinforming the public, and pushing your agendas down michigan’s throat. Tell HSUS to stay in washington, and see what you pass here.

        • NormMackey

          Nope, you did, waving around the word “science” and pretending the bill would cause it to be used, along with the promise that it would only apply to species on the game list, and that only the legislature could add species like doves and wolves and sandhill cranes to the game list.
          If that specific language hadn’t been on the ballot, i.e. that “loophole” Drew refers to (see http://ballotpedia.org/Michigan_Wildlife_Management_Referendum,_Proposal_G_%281996%29 ) it wouldn’t have passed. The voters voted for that “loophole”. Now that the NRC and DNR have shown they have no interest in inconvenient science, you’re trying to “fix it” with a measure designed to take away their right to vote against giving up the right to vote proposal G promised.

      • Mike Marcusen

        The truth according to Norm!!LOL

  • Josh Revard

    Where do we sign?

    • Rich Fasi

      Does anyone know where the petitions are available to sign?

      • Amy Trotter

        Email me your mailing address and I can send you one: atrotter@mucc.org. They will also be at all the outdoor shows and gun shows around the state.

  • QDM MARs

    What does this really mean? Dose this stop groups like Trout unlimited , and QDMA from getting special treatment and a chance to set game regulations based on a popularity survey as like with the QDM proposals …….or is it just activist like those trying to stop the wolf hunt???………We have fought for what we thought was the same thing as this a couple of times only to be told it didn’t matter what we thought we were getting ………In other words what we got was not what was advertised we were getting!!!

    • Line Dancin

      I want the same answer. QDMA alreay totally screwed the north 12 counties with their APRS. They sent out petitions to only people they wanted to not land owners like myself and all my family members that own land in the 12 county APR areas so they could get it pushed through. Now they are trying to do the same with all the lower counties. You want hunter retention and people to get into the sport and then they make it harder to take an animal.

      • NormMackey

        Apparently the NRC’s new policy is that first-come, first-serve sales of limited licenses is fairer to hunters than the drawing held (at least for now) for elk, bear, turkey, restricted waterfowl, etc:

        Dear. Mr. Mackey: [...]
        In response to the NRC and the choice of having over-the-counter license sales instead of applications, the NRC wanted everyone to have an equal chance to purchase a license rather than the luck of the draw with a random lottery. Over-the-counter sales allow everyone the ability to purchase online or at terminals at the same time.
        Sincerely, Russ Mason, Ph.D., Chief Wildlife Division Michigan Department of Natural Resources

        So, presumably, this is how at least new limited licenses will be issued. I guess it makes the most sense in their view to use first-come, first-serve and charge whatever the traffic will bear (no pun intended) to limit demand to the number of licenses available and max out license revenue, all will have an equal chance to fight to get the licenses first, but Russ didn’t say anything about it whether this new policy will be extended to elk, bear and the all the rest, or if so which.

  • jim walker

    Be careful. I want to see the bill first. Sounds life a fluffy liberal trap to stop hunting and fishing. Where is the HSUS? Bet they are in there.

    • Mike Marcusen

      Jim walker, While I like your comment, HSUS isn’t in this Bill.LOL It was built by a coalition against HSUS.

      • QDM MARs

        So is this bill really about ALL activist like it says
        “This is about making sure that decisions about fish and wildlife management are made by relying on sound science and the recommendations of biologists, not activists or television commercials,” said Merle Shepard, chairman of CPWM……
        Or is this just about stopping the activist outside the outdoors community? Funny I have tried to ask questions of some of the sponsors of this bill and they haven’t had the decency to respond to me and I am supposed to jump in and fight for this? There hasn’t even been a representative that has even cared to take the time to respond to the comments made on here. A page that is operated by one of the sponsors. How are us outdoorsmen and women supposed to take this seriously when the sponsors won’t even take the time to reply here or else where???????

        • Mike Marcusen

          I would say this bill is about both, sound scientific wildlife management, and keeping animal rights groups from corrupting it. I have invested alot of time and effort into this. The mucc is a very busy organization. It often takes me days to get replies. You ask how are us outdoorsmen & women suppose to take this seriously? This is far from my first day on the comment boards. This Bill, is supported by most of the outdoorsmen & women’s associations in Michigan. This bill info was released 11/26/13 two days ago, so where else have your questions on this not been answered? You suggest your an outdoorsmen, while claiming our sponsors are dodging your comment questions on a bill that’s only been public for 48 hours? I suppose you have a real name, and as a director for M.T.P.C.A. and on face book, I’m not hard to reach. Assuming your not a fake named troll for kmwp, why don’t you ask your questions in a message?

          • QDM MARs

            Well I think that answers my question quite well as to if I should take this seriously or not!!!

            I was just ask for my advice on what the MTPCA was all about and how approachable they were. I have already forwarded your reply to me on here and told them your reply should answer their question………..Kinda hard to gather support when you automatically accuse some one of being a troll for the KMWP. I could give a rats a** how much time and effort into this when you act like you could care less who you drive away

            Your reply also made my decision on donating any of my fur I send to NAFA toward your fund raiser. You wonder why the MTPCA has all these membership issues and why trappers are so fractioned in this state……. well your reply says it all.There is only one person associated with the MTPCA that has ever taken the time to answer my questions and show me he genuinely cares about a nobody like me(if I really am a nobody as you have no idea who I am ) and that is John !!

          • Mike Marcusen

            Like I said clown, this isn’t my first day on the comment boards. I don’t care who you are!! or who you forward my comments too. This information has only been out a short time, and you didn’t answer my questions. Do you really think I care that you know Johns name? John, is just as good at reading through B/S as I am, except I’ve had alot more practise recently. You started out suggesting that nobody cared about your questions on a bill that hadn’t been public for over 48 hours. LMAO My reply does say it all!!! Respect is earned not given!!! Don’t hide your name and ask shady questions. You want to talk like a man, Ask away. I’m not hard to find. PS, your wanna be intimidational ranting sucks.LOL

          • QDM MARs

            You are so bent on giving trappers in Michigan a bad name with you actions you never even took the time to look into me. For the record I was one of the FIRST few people to like your defend the hunt facebook and promoted it when I had the chance. I have un liked it and will go back to telling those that ask, to meet Groney at on of his stops if they have a deer hide they are looking to get rid of (at least they won’t have to worry about being accused of part of the KMWP ) You watse so much time and energy being the fool with your replies to the likes of Norm……well Norm is a armature….he is manipulating you and you are falling for it….Take the time to counter his crap instead of playing his game with his rules…..you are looking like a fool and driving people away (and making trappers look like fools in the process) your not going to get rid of people like Norm, you need to manage them! STOP WITH THE TOUGH GUY CRAP!! ( I have been around the internet boards plenty to see the image you are portraying )

            “John, is just as good at reading through B/S as I am, except I’ve had alot more practise recently.”
            You will never be more than a pimple on John’s butt if you don’t change your attitude! John is good people and I have nothing but good to say about him! You might try being a little more like him!!
            My original reply was clear that this new call to action is a continuation of this issue(scientific management verses activist management) But in your hast to accuse me of being a KMWP troll you totally missed that.
            And with that I am done with this. It is obvious you don’t want or need my help so I can quit stressing over not being more actively involved than I had ben up till this point. Act like the fool and bash me till the cows come home on this post ……….you wont see me replying here any more

          • NormMackey

            QDM MARs, it’s hard for Mike to “manage” me, because he has nothing. I vigorously oppose the idea of wolf hunting at random, because it makes no sense as management for them. I wrote repeatedly before the wolf survey that if it showed 1000, obviously a hunt, of there were the 850 expected by past growth it should be on the table, and if there were less than 700 only an imbecile would approve a wolf hunt. Still true and I won’t roll over for management by and under the control of imbeciles. If the NRC wanted to actually manage intelligently for fewer wolves, remove this 43 as 15 or so of the whole smallest packs and immediately assure 80 or 100 fewer pups born in the spring, that’s what I’ve advocated, suggested they might want to hire local experienced trappers for it. the fixation of him, and lately the MUCC on the sport random wolf hunt (I’m surprised they haven’t given Casperson a “Conservationist of the Year” award yet) leads to absurd attack vectors on me, who has always supported the hunting management of other game species, only drives him to incredible depths of denial and fury, like his attacks on hunters and Yoopers who don’t unquestionably worship his every idea. So he calls me an anti-hunter supported by the HSUS, falling to the depths of absurdity.

          • Tom Matych

            Some has to watch over our natural resources. I’m all for sound science/biology. Who determines what’s sound science? Alewives eat the same zooplankton we don’t want asian carp to eat, yet the plan is to fill lake Michigan back up with alewives, domninant status no less. This effects all fish. How is this sound science? Because the NRC will have “exclusive authority does that make it sound science? The DNR admits the alewives were the whole problem keeping native fish populations down in Huron, how is increasing alewives good for the ecosystem? Alewives are an invasive species, are we against Aquatic invasive species except one? Science based?

          • Dan Macut

            the dang salmon are invasive species…wth? seems the DNR hit a home run with them! your whole post is you trying to defend one invasive species against the other and has nothing to do with the original article. seems to me you just want to bad mouth our state’s biologists to further your agenda. sportsmen watch over our natural resources with their dollars…screw them up and we’ll head elsewhere. I think the DNR has a handle on what is at stake much better than an out-of-state special interest group that will come in, rape our DNR’s management plan, leave us and move on to attack another state.

          • Tom Matych

            Dan, the petition says do what biologists say does it not? Our “biologists” say keeping alewives the dominant fish in Lake Michigan is a good thing. This means we have to sacrifice the entire native/natural resource. Native fish have to be kept the minority because they compete with salmon for alewives. Alewives eat the same zooplankton asian carp eat. Asian Carp of course will eat more, live longer etc… we can never have a healthy ecosytem keeping alewives healthy as the top priority. A healthy lake is supposed to be the top priority, is it not? The law says protect the natural resources, does it not?

          • Tom Matych

            Dan, I just printed out the petition posted in the Muskegon chronicle 3 pages. “fisheries management activities necessary for rapid response, prevention controland/or elimination of aquatic invasive species including asian carp”. Sounds good, however the alewives dominant plan makes all this moot. The Fisheries division has already stated they are dedicated to science ecosytem based management. Thier “plan” Charting the course Objective 1 “Enhance aquatic invasive species control efforts” I agree lets do that. After $200. million bucks and 10 years, the top asian carp expert says we can control asian carp with predators, “keep thier numbers in check” the predators we can use are native. They have to be abundant/ insufficient numbers to control asian carp. We have tried several times to get permission several times to restore native fish, Perch walleye etc… both would be very good predators of juvenile asian carp, cold water fish will not. That’s real biology/fish science. Alewives first last and always is a special interest agenda, and a conflict of interest for the DNR. If we truly fight all invasive species, I would sign your petition. But not being able to question the “alewife priority first” concerns me. I have dealt with these people one on one. We have a massive invasive species problem, increasing our worst one is not helping solve the problem! We can ger ahead of the carp (proactive) the only thing stopping us is the alewife protection plan, an invasive species!

  • Steve Yencich

    Pending review of the actual language, I’m in and will share with our Government Affairs Committee to see if we can provide active support.

  • Tom Matych

    I am concerned the NRC can decide what’s a good fish or bad. Given the MDNR fishery Divisions top priority is to fill lake Michigan back up with alewives, and the “plan” is to keep alewives the dominant species in Lake Michigan and connecting waters. They may try to declare alewives native. Alewives eat the same zooplankton as Asian Carp, as well as native larval fish, in high numbers the impact to the natural resource/ecosystem is the same. If you read the new “tacitcal plan” by the fishery Div, you’ll see Asian carp and every other invasive species are quite safe. Old saying “once you allow employees to dictate what they will do, you have lost control of the situation” . Protecting the invasive alewives being top priority makes this entire effort moot, allowing all invasives to thrive and spread. We need people to watch the resource, but I would read this “law” very very carefully, before giving these people that much power. Thier track record to date sucks. We are overrun with invasive species and the best plan they have is to fill the lake back up with more invasive species?

  • Rork1

    Hunters Against Democracy might be a better name for the initiative.
    If you wanna make enemies, this is your bill.

  • Donna Barthel Porteus

    How can you say that This bill favors sound scientific reasoning when its sponsors include Safari International and dog hunting groups? Seems that the bill is hugely slanted in favor of hunters and not so much toward science. If fish and wildlife are at stake then everyone should be represented and that includes “activists,” conservationists, and passive users.

    • Rork1

      Notes about that:
      1) We (hunters and anglers and business dependent on them) have essentially captured DNR. Note where their funding comes from – we let happen what Aldo Leopold told us to never let happen (have DNR depend on license fees rather than general fund). So now, it’s our money, so we get to have more say.

      2) Your last sentence used to be one of our principles too, but we threw it under the bus a few months ago.

      • Donna Barthel Porteus

        And how does it help wildlife if the only people “managing” it are the people killing it? Extremely shortsighted and spiteful.

        • Allen R.

          It would be managed by the DNR, the law enforcement agency for environmental laws.

          • Donna Barthel Porteus

            I’ve spoken to DNR in MN and was told that supporting hunters is what they’ve always done. Not exactly independent-minded, nor open to scientific input. It appears that some hunters, who don’t want anyone to question what they do or how they do it, are upset because some are questioning the need to kill a nonconsumptive, icon, apex predator that was just delisted due to political pressure. I don’t think the DNR is showing itself to be the guardian it should be.

    • MMMartinez

      Hi, my name is Mike.

      Safari Intl. isn’t a horrible group. They actually do very good work, albeit to offset the damage. They don’t harvest Ivory like the Natives do.

  • NormMackey

    I realized something – and admit I may have been mistaken what I have written before.

    It will do no more good for CPWM to file this initiative and it not go to the ballot for approval but be directly approved, than for them to simply have those in the legislature pass the same bill – with the same appropriation, making it immune to veto referendum! If they have the political power to do one, they have the political power to do the other!

    MI Constitution states: “no law adopted by the people at the polls under the initiative provisions of this section shall be amended or repealed, except by a vote of the electors unless otherwise provided in the initiative measure or by three-fourths of the members elected to and serving in each house of the legislature.”

    In fact if the legislature just plunks it in place it has no more power than any other law! Only if it is actually voted on at the polls is it any different! And in that case, the appropriation not yet passed by the voters would not stop a veto referendum!

    So, it must be CPWM’s real purpose to actually put the initiative on the ballot and let the whole set of Michigan’s voters decide yes or no. Otherwise they need not even gather any signatures, just lobby the state legislature to get that new PA21 clone plus appropriation! I apologize for the accusations!

    Unless they haven’t realized this, in which case, this is really, really funny. Wait, why the appropriation that will have no effect until the vote then, or if it fails, unless that is the case?

    • Drew YoungeDyke

      Norm, I get amused more every time you post. It just reaffirms that you write without thinking.

      • NormMackey

        And I am continually more satisfied as the tantrums of those trying to hang onto their new little wolf hunt goody like a fat spoiled child denied candy at the supermarket checkout lane, getting the more and more desperate squealing Mama’s trying to take away all their food!

        If CPWM doesn’t have the wherewithal to get the legislature to give them a PA21 clone with appropriation, they won’t get 8% of voters signing petitions – if CPWM gets them by a miracle – bypassing the ballot process simply put in place, when that option was meant to, and always has, been used when the whole public’s support for them clearly made a vote unnecessary. Nor will voters fall for your “you’re too stupid, so vote to give away your right to review businessmen appointed to the NRC for political reasons” when it is on the ballot. They know your side’s trying to screw them, and that the “science” is a ploy to avoid science.

        The most you’ll be able to do is squeal unfairness at “outside agitators” preserving citizens’ right to vote with another initiative you can’t block from the ballot. Those across from you at the table know your game and your tells, and they still have a big pile of chips to call your bluff with.

        It’s evidence enough that CPWM still clings to the flimsy straw of $1 reductions in those service personnel licenses as a wonderful patriotic gift to them (which throw away the outsized P-R and D-J funds the $1 fees provide). Not asking them if they want to give up their voting rights for the cost of a candy bar they have to break up and share with the rest CPWM “honors” using their sacrifices for a cheap and cynical gesture, treating them as too stupid and gullible to vote, like you tell the rest of Michigan voters that they are.

        Enough to make me smile and relax, like the way the 2013 wolf hunt has blown away fables Michigan wolves are commonly encountered animals, and “have no fear” instead of being as shy and avoiding of human contact as wolves anywhere else.

        But what is best, Drew, is when those like you have no argument at all to refute with and are reduced to desperately pretending amusement.

        • Mike Marcusen

          Hi Norm, Your desperation shows when you start posting these long ranting comments. I see you found the mucc site, and Drew Youngdyke. Drew is a great guy. HI DREW!!! And Erin, Such a great Gal, and smart too. Sorry I left ya alone on the comment boards for a little bit Norm, you know how it is, Rallies to schedule, lots of things to do. I see you like our coalition, etc. If its all so stupid Norm, why such long comments about it? See now your spouting your comic amusement for Drew. Your Suppose to get introductions first. Hi Jill Fritz, I hear you really like our new petition drive. We’re hoping to get a letter to the governor signed by Elvis!!!LOL

          • NormMackey

            Hi Mike. Nice to see another reassuring display of the derision and feigned amusement you always display when you can’t answer anything.

            Looks like it’s catching on. Don’t get caught running raffles to try and illegally finance your coalition with gambling this time.

          • Mike Marcusen

            Can’t answer anything!! Sorry norm, I didn’t see you actually asked a question. Do Tell??? I would think now that the bill is public, you’d know I can answer plenty, I’ve just chosen not to because leting you believe I’m desperate is much more fun. So whats your question?

          • NormMackey

            I don’t have any questions for you. Just pointing out your inability to address a single one of the points made and your attempt to divert attention from the fact, as you always do in that case. I’ll point out again that it fools no one. Again, see you on the ballot, if you can manage to scrape together the signatures.

          • guest982

            you wildlife terrorists will not silence we the people. Wolf hunting will be banned you republican terrorist scum

          • Mike Marcusen

            WOW, wildlife terrorists, or republican scum? Says guest 982. See Michigan residence, this is the sort of lunatic, we’re attempting to keep from corrupting sound scientific wildlife management. Legally hunting americans, being harassed, getting death threats, comments like what I got from guest 982.LOL Hunters photos,phone numbers, and home addresses being posted on the kmwp site, encouraging the harassment,slander, and threatening of law abiding Michigan residence!!! Oh Yeh, guest 982, your a coward hiding your identity, and scum.

          • Guest

            You wouldn’t say that to my face you spineless coward. You right wing terrorists should be put in prison for crimes against our wildlife. You COWARD.

          • Guest

            You wildlife killing cowards DESERVE all that. You’re republican vermin

          • NormMackey

            “Hunters photos,phone numbers, and home addresses being posted on the kmwp site”? Lying through your teeth Mike. Not done, and no threats. Revealing your plans for those who oppose you?

  • A. Disgusted Vet

    You should rename your group A Minority Of Citizens for Wildlife Murder….what’s next dog hunting in Detroit?
    Real sportsman want a challenge to make it a sport. Disgraceful cowards murder for fun…Go join the Army if you have to kill.

  • Pete Braun

    Grade A tyranny is alive and well here in Michigan.

  • Tom Matych

    Where is the “public oversight” if they have all the power, who controls them? Where do you draw a line on bad results, or how do you?

    • kristilloyd

      There will be NONE. Who controls the NRC now, the Senate, including Casperson.

      • Mike Marcusen

        More baseless claims Kristi, on your super conspiracy/corruption claims over a hunt for 43 wolves. 1,200 tags, 120,000.00 that’s like lunch money for the whole legislature of michigan, so get over your B/S claims. So far, k.m.w.p./ hsus has spent over 1,000,000.00 on blocking a hunt for 43 wolves!! It comes out to about 25,000.00 a dog!!!

        • NormMackey

          How many Michigan hunters were excluded from buying wolf licenses, except for your thin lunatic fringe fanatics Mike, by the NRC charging $2700 a wolf in license fees? Same $100 as an elk license, but 80+% of elk hunters in the field get to bag one. We’ll see what they go up to when the NRC switches them to first-come, first-serve like wolves.

        • kristilloyd

          Not baseless, the NRC is overseen by the Senate, which is how the NRC can be influenced by politics. A hunt based on fabricated events, lies and political BS, deceit by DNR, NRC. The legislature doesn’t get that money from wolf licenses.
          Also, I think you meant residents, people who live in MI, not residence, like a house.

  • KMWP lies to the people

    Looking forward to receiving my petitions and going door to door. Just like in the past talking to people who donated to DOW and HSUS and were duped into giving them money from their false claims and how angered they were when they saw the deception. It will be fun to get double the amount of signatures in all the liberal college towns too.

    • Guest

      So,you republican terrorists want to silence the voters again? Wolf hunting WILLbe banned in 2014 by we the people you republican scum.

      • Mike Marcusen

        Oh No, guest982 lost the number part of his no name, Blah Blah Blah comments. WOW, this clown really hates republicans!!! LOL

        • Guest

          You republicans are scum and you’re wildlife killing cowards.

    • guest982

      Well over 200,000 who live in MI signed the petition to ban wolf hunting you wildlife killing terrorist coward. We are not going to let you republican wildlife killing terrorist cowards silence our voice. We are going to vote to ban wolf hunting in 2014 and this bill that you have shows you cowards are afraid because we the people of MI are going to get wolf hunting banned. You COWARD.

      • Mike Marcusen

        guest982, your the one hiding your name coward. You are not we the people. You are a nut case!!! Get over it.LOL

        • NormMackey

          They were responding to “Lies to the People”, Mike. Kind of lame to call them a coward for not posting under their name. You do not represent every hunter or Yooper in the world either, and it’s very revealing how you reserve your extra-special intense attacks for any of those who openly disagree with you, indicating that you likely actually represent very, very few.

        • Guest

          We the people are the majority and you wildlife killing cowards are terrorists.

      • Dave Mull

        Pretty rude words for a guest.

      • Robert H Scott

        Really

    • NormMackey

      Lies to the people, isn’t it strange that even though you think contributors to HSUS and others against the hunt have apparently elected you as their spokesperson, you’ve never actually come up with a single one of these “angered” contributors you tell tall tales of? Not a single one…

  • guest982

    MUCC are scum. You republican terrorists who sport kill our wildlife will lose. We the people will not be silenced by you wildlife killing cowardly extremists. Wolf hunting WILL be banned in 2014.

    • Mike Marcusen

      Guest982 WOW, I hope you keep the comments coming. Its alot easier to show what crazy fanaticals you are, when you provide the proof yourself.LOL

      • Guest

        I will you wildlife killing terrorist.

      • NormMackey

        Ah, you’re probably posting them.

  • Trapper Jon

    Wow the nuts came out of the closet on this one!
    Norm Mackey, Elly H, Jill Fritz, have brain washed the minions well. They should really learn to read for themsleves. Poor people being told what to say! They cant even think for themselves.

    • NormMackey

      Upset that your sporting buddies think for themselves, know that the DNR and NRC can’t be trusted with ultimate power, and say it, instead of following Mike and Drew and you like a row of little baby ducklings follow their mother? I can envision the first time you get kicked out of a sportsman’s convention for trying to intimidate people into signing your petitions and following and taking down the license plate numbers of anyone who actually openly expresses doubt or dislike of the idea.

      You’ve actually brainwashed yourselves into thinking the state legislature will share your contempt of the voting public by putting directly into place not only an initiative without overwhelming support from the electorate, something that just isn’t done, but help you take away the right of that electorate to say no with a veto referendum. Kinda forgot most of them want to be elected again?

    • Guest

      Nuts? it’s you trappers who are the nuts. You are wildlife killing terrorists and you’re cowards.

    • Guest

      Trappers are terrorists to our wildlife and traps also kill many dogs and other non-target wild animals. You see a trap, you should destroy it ASAP. You might just be saving a person’s dog or some innocent wild animal.

  • BT

    Where can I sign this petition?

  • ChrisPease

    Does anyone know if CPWM has a website or any other way of signing the petition?

  • NormMackey

    Hmm, language at the top of the petition:

    “An initiation of legislation to enact the Scientific Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act. The initiated law would ensure that decisions affecting the taking of fish and wildlife are made using principles of sound scientific fish and wildlife management, to provide for free hunting, fishing, and trapping licenses for active members of the military, and to provide appropriations for fisheries management activities necessary necessary for rapid response, prevention, control, and/or elimination of aquatic invasive species, including Asian Carp, By amending 1994 PA 451 [description of all the affected laws]”

    Hmm, not much there that can be defended against examples of the distortion in every sentence and phrase before “amended”, and pointing out the real effects aren’t mentioned. Nothing about letting the NRC instead of the legislature decide which species are on the game list. Nothing about preventing voter review – and that will be the only real effect. Wolves aren’t mentioned at all – but the initiative itself forces them and only them to the game list – too paranoid to let the NRC decide – as well as forbidding the NRC taking anything off the list after. nothing about the appropriation effect of preventing voters reviewing it if the legislature just puts it in, and attempts the first unvetoable legislative enacted initiative.

    Nah, too much deception to survive a single informative commercial describing it, you’re not going to be able to fool people into signing knowing what they’re giving up for nothing in fact, including not being able to change their minds after signing and vote different or veto-petition against after. As they have been able to do with every voter petition signed in the past. Just knowing that they’ll think long and hard, and not sign.

    They’re making the mistake of treating people as if they were as gullible and stupid as they’re trying to make them think they are about their veto petition competence.

  • al

    Norms phsychotic rantings, and philosophical gibberish utilizes precious air, along with every breath he takes is a waste of good air. Air that should be saved for an animal that needs it, so it(not holly or Nellie the animal…it) can feed and be merry get fat and be delicious for my palate.

  • Dave Mull

    I have no desire to ever hunt a wolf, but as a hunter I will sign this petition. It’s time for hunters in Michigan to get together and make a stand against those who would end our hunting privileges and allow emotion to trump sound science when it comes to wildlife management.

  • MMMartinez

    I am pleased that my friends and associates are capable of thinking clearly on issues of Nature.

    We can’t wait to sign the Petition in favor of Scientific Wildlife Management, thank you CPWM. Being as the HSUS was founded as a fictitious disguise for a political (Democratic Party) agenda, it will be a pleasure watching them be crushed by the majority of Michigan’s residents. Residents from both parties who understand that politics and the political fringe have no business determining the best interests of Michigan’s Wildlife.

    Seems there are plenty of politicians in prison, not to mention the former Chief Justice of Michigan’s Supreme Court. Probably good to keep the judges out of it as well.
    Best Regards

    • Guest

      You wildlife killing terrorists will be crushed.

    • Guest

      You people are terrorists to our wildlife and you are extreme minority and we will crush you radical right wing wildlife killing cowards in 2014.

  • Admin

    You can visit http://www.citizenswildlif.com to learn how to find petition opportunities near you.

  • MMMartinez

    Boy, you folks are moronic. Few of you see the picture. While we continue to build our little cabins in the woods, and then gripe about how wildlife is destroying our sanctuary ( black bear, coyotes, porcupine, fisher) where do they go? What’s going to happen the first time little Johnny or Janie ends up digested by a wolf?

    What about the bear that attacked a jogger a couple months back. Doesn’t she have rights? Doesn’t the bear? It was just being a bear…..and she was just being a kid. It has to be managed and properly, otherwise everyone should move to Detroit and take a bunch of ammo. People are worse.

  • bill

    Just wondering who’s scientific research will be used. For example, if it’s trout related will they use Trout Unlimiteds research or will they use the research from the DNR biologists? It matters.

  • mike

    Bet if Guest982 would feel differently if his/her TOY POODLE were eaten by a wolf that intruded on their property.

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